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Master List of Discount Gift Card Retailers

Master List of Discount Gift Card Retailers
This link-packed ebook is intended for people looking for the best-kept secrets on the web for buying bulk Amazon, Walmart, Best Buy and other national brand gift cards at the highest discounts—accounting for speed, quality, volume and risk.
Executive Summary
  1. Buy gift cards on marketplaces
  2. Buy gift cards with bitcoin
  3. Fill out online surveys for gift cards
  4. Buy directly with people online
  5. Buy directly with people offline
  6. Arbitrage gift cards on Amazon
  7. Swap other gift cards for Amazon
  8. Buy gift cards from retail stores
  9. Earn gift cards for online work
  10. Daily deals websites
Bonus Knowledge

Executive Summary

This article covers some of the many ways to buy discount gift cards. We focus a lot of attention on Amazon gift cards since they are the largest retailer in the world and has the 2nd most gift cards in circulation. We have either purchased or researched in depth most of the sites on this list to come up with some conclusions about the fastest, safest and cheapest places to buy discount gift cards. Please remember, there is no one best place to find gift cards, the goal is to give you options.
The lowest-risk gift cards with the lowest discounts are directly from that brand and at grocery stores and other retail locations (CVS, Safeway, Walgreens, etc). You will also find these 0% offers from 3rd party e-code generators like eGifter and BitPay. You can usually buy instantly and they are guaranteed forever.
Slightly higher risk are the old-school secondhand gift card exchanges like CardCash, CardPool, Raise and others. They offer very small savings up to 5% off the top brands. You can pay with a credit card and they guarantee the card for up to a full year so you can gift them as gifts much easily.
The highest discounted gift cards are on peer-to-peer bitcoin marketplaces with users from many different countries, like Paxful and LocalBitcoins. This also comes with the most risk and the highest amount of work. These platforms have lower regulation and majority of the trades are conducted in non-USD currency.
Finally, there is an emerging category of crypto gift card exchanges that also use bitcoin to offer the same discounts as peer-to-peer marketplaces, but they have more advanced protections in place for buyers and sellers. Sites like Redeeem and Purse.io fall into this category because they can offer larger discounts on gift cards and other products but they use technology to cut out the negotiating. Cards are guaranteed for minutes, hours or days here, so this isn’t the best for gifting.
Your savings (and profit margins) will depend largely on your risk tolerance, length of time you are willing to get paid, country where you are located, capital available, ability to buy alternative forms of currency (like bitcoin), the ability/willingness to ship physical products, overall time commitment, and many other factors.

1. Buy gift cards on marketplaces

Redeeem. Save 15% or more on bulk Amazon, Walmart and Best Buy gift cards with auction-style pricing buying with bitcoin. They have great support and great reviews.
CardPool. Save 3-5% on hundreds of brands, including Best Buy, Target, iTunes and Lowe’s. They send the card directly to your email inbox or via USPS in 3-7 days.
CardCash. Gift card marketplace that buys unwanted gift cards for less than their value and resells them at a discount to savvy shoppers across the country. Save 3-5% on hundreds of brands, very similar to CardPool.
Gift Card Granny. This is a nice resource because they link to the sites that have the best deals, unfortunately they don’t index many of the bulk discount sites.
Raise. One of the biggest in terms of volume. Discounted gift cards to hundreds of national brands such as Target, Southwest, Uber, Home Depot, etc. However, discounts are minimal here, ranging from 0-3%.
CardCookie. A great site with great potential—currently offering 5-10% discounts but not very high volume yet. Keep them bookmarked.

2. Buy gift cards with bitcoin

Redeeem. Redeeem is a great option for buying Amazon gift cards at 20% discount or higher using bitcoin. Unlike Paxful or LocalBitcoins, they manually validate and guarantee every gift card sold on the platform and have an easier buying experience. But you will have to trade during market hours (they are only open 8 hours a day).
BitPay. Raised over $72 million from investors, they’re the largest bitcoin payment processor. Download the app to buy Amazon e-codes fast at 0% discount.
Paxful. With 300+ currencies to trade, Paxful’s peer-to-peer platform with millions of users in Africa offers likely the best discounts for gift cards, but there are a lot of scammers (and yelling) so be careful. You may find yourself with a lot of stolen/invalid cards and trade disputes with money at risk.
LocalBitcoins. LocalBitcoins lets you buy and sell bitcoin in over 248 countries. Like Paxful, this comes with high risk and high reward. Every trade starts with a listing, similar to Craigslist, and the platform is strictly peer-to-peer.
Purse. Save 10% or more on Amazon when you pay with bitcoin, or dropship products (including gift cards) to people to earn bitcoin.
CardBazaar. An online secondhand gift card marketplace where you can buy and sell unwanted gift cards for cash or bitcoin.
Bidali. A bitcoin payment processor that competes with BitPay and offers full-priced e-codes from Amazon and other retailers.
eGifter. One of the best way to buy eGift cards quickly for friends, family and yourself without hassle. Choose from hundreds of top national brands. You can personalize your gift with an animated greeting card, photo or video greeting.

3. Fill out online surveys for gift cards

Survey Junkie. offers a massive inventory of paid surveys. Each survey is assigned a point value (most between 100-200 points) and estimated completion time. Once you accrue 1,000 points (around $10) you can cash out with a gift card.
Beer Money on Reddit. This a Reddit group dedicated to making some cash on the side. Don’t know much about it.
PointClub Surveys. You can earn points for completing paid online surveys. When you have enough points, you can redeem them for cash or the gift card of your choice. Gift cards can either be digital or real cards sent to you. It's that easy!
OpinionOutpost. You can earn cash and rewards for the time you spend taking online surveys with points you can redeem for cash or gift vouchers to popular brands.

4. Buy directly with people online

Reddit. Reddit is used by a ton of gift card traders, but you have to be familiar with the platform and have some karma on there before using it seriously. Otherwise, your listings will just get filtered out by their algorithms. If you go in there moving quickly without reading their rules carefully you will likely get banned.

5. Buy directly from people offline

Craigslist. As you probably know, you can get anything on Craigslist. But like Paxful and LocalBitcoins, it requires a lot of negotiating and there are scammers galore. The only deals worth doing are small volume with trusted local partners.
Facebook Marketplace. Although this wouldn’t be my first choice due to the randomness, there are a lot of gift cards on Facebook Marketplace—a growing platform.
eBay. Older than time itself, eBay earns millions of dollars a day in gift card volume. They are fairly warm to buying and selling physical gift cards but they are cracking down on e-codes. The downsides here are shipping costs and eBay/PayPal fees which add up to over 10%. There are also a lot of international buyers on eBay taking advantage of currency exchanges, which inflates prices of gift cards above their face value. It’s an expensive place to find gift cards—but always there.

6. Arbitrage gift cards on Amazon

Amazon is unique in a lot of ways. One way in particular is that they let you buy other brands of physical gift cards with your Amazon credit balance—such as Nordstrom, Southwest, Nike, Starbucks, Google Play, iTunes, Best Buy, Lowe’s, Sephora, Hotels.com and dozens more.
This opens the door for people to buy gift cards on Amazon and then sell them to CardCash, CardPool, Raise, Paxful, Reddit, LocalBitcoins, Redeeem, etc. The risk, believe it or not, is that Amazon loves shutting down people’s accounts with gift card balances frozen inside. So don't let your balances get too high and try to mimic normal behavior that doesn’t make you look like a large dropshipping business (e.g. ship to yourself, buy other products too, have a real phone number and billing address on file, etc). There are also hard quantity limits on how many gift cards you can buy for each SKU on Amazon.
Your profit margin will depend on how you get Amazon credits, your ability to keep your Amazon accounts in good health, and the rate at which you sell your cards to gift card marketplaces (some let you choose your own rate, others have fixed rates), and the speed and method you want to get paid (check, ACH, bitcoin, PayPal, etc).

7. Swap other gift cards for Amazon

CardCash Amazon Exchange. This is a cool resource that CardCash built alongside Amazon to allow customers to swap out other national brands for Amazon e-codes for a small fee. The rates are comparable to what they have on the main CardCash website and the e-codes are delivered within 24 hours. It’s a cool way to jump from one brand to another if you want Amazon gift cards in particular and have another.

8. Buy gift cards from retail stores

Retail Stores. There are hundreds of physical retail store locations where you can buy physical gift cards in person (the link points to Amazon retail locations). You pay full retail price but it’s fast, safe and reliable—and you can earn 3-5% cash back with certain credit cards like Amazon Prime card.

9. Earn gift cards for online work

Mechanical Turks. Amazon Mechanical Turk (MTurk) is a crowdsourcing marketplace that makes it easier for individuals and businesses to outsource their processes and jobs. This will require a lot of work, but you can get paid in Amazon gift cards.
Swagbucks. You can redeem a Amazon Gift Cards by using the Swagbucks you earn through playing, searching, discovering, answering, watching or shopping on websites that are trying to sell you things. Not very profitable but can be fun.

10. Daily deals websites

Groupon. Although not as popular as when it first launched in 2009, Groupon is still used by millions of people to get discounts on stores, experiences and even gift cards like Amazon, Walmart and Best Buy. There is also a gift certificate category that has similar offers (sorry, we couldn’t find anything similar on Living Social).
Amazon Daily Deals. Amazon has daily deals on many categories of products as high as 20% discount. On some occasions they will slash prices on gift cards. Amazon Treasure Truck. Amazon has a Treasure Truck that they drive around many of their Whole Foods locations they use to promote Amazon Video shows and offer 10% discount deals on food, clothing and tech.
Gift Cards.me. Simple app, good reviews, worth a try. The discounts aren’t very spectacular, but they claim to have fast gift card delivery.
Nimble Commerce. Not sure how long they’ll be around, but worth a shot.

Bonus Knowledge

On the back of your gift cards, check all the stores where that brand is accepted. For example, gift cards for Gap also work at Old Navy, Banana Republic, Athleta and Piper Lime. Walmart gift cards work at Sam’s Club, Amazon gift cards work at Whole Foods, and Albertsons gift cards work at Safeway, Vons and a dozen other grocery store chains in the same family. Make sure you know these sister-company store policies before you buy a brand.
One limitation you may find with many stores like Amazon, Walmart and Best Buy is that they have per-product purchase limits. Obviously you can create new accounts or ask friends and family to buy products for you, but some products have gift cards under many different SKU numbers—like a Christmas and Birthday version. There are also limits set for each of these individual items, not the gift card category as a whole.
Finally, based on the U.S. government regulations, the maximum amount of gift cards that can be purchased in a 24 hour period by a single person $10,000. So please keep this in mind when you are out there shopping.
Good luck, be honest, and happy trading!
Bonus Resources

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How to accept Dogecoin with your business, and why. A few pointers.

THE UPDATED VERSION OF THIS POST CAN BE FOUND HERE.
You are a business owner and sell goods or services. You heard about Dogecoin. You wonder how you can use it in your business. This thread is for you.
If you have no idea what Dogecoin is, read up on it here (click). In short, it is a digital currency that is perfect for everyday use. Read on if you want to know why it would be good for your enterprise.
Why should I accept payments in Dogecoin? 
Dogecoin offers you:
Dogecoin can be exchanged to national currencies. You can do this easily by yourself or use the automatic conversion offered by some payment processors (all is explained further down). You can also just keep your Dogecoin and spend it or offer it to your employees! :)
Dogecoin is fun and it gets ever more useful the more people like you use and accept it. There are other merchants who have gone this path before you - you can read interviews about them and their experiences on this blog. You can also talk with other merchants in /dogevendors, check out these testimonials ([1, 2], 3), search this subreddit and post any questions you have right here!
I want to accept donations. What are my options? 
Just download the client and put up the wallet address up on your page with donation info. Done! That's it! If you want something snazzy, check out this widget or this one (or this one) (or this one).
If you need to track who sent you how much money (for goodies and that), you could ask that donators tell you that they're sending you a very specific amount of coins (e.g. 100.424242), and match it to their name. However, this can be abused as your transaction history is public. If you're actually selling stuff, check out the next section instead.
I sell stuff online. What are my options? 
You have a lot! It boils down to one of these:
The last option can be interesting if you don't have your own web store, are selling digital goods and/or are just selling on as a side business. If your business is your main income, handling payment yourself is probably better.
1) Manually processing transactions
All you need for this is a Dogecoin wallet. You simply generate a payment address for each of your customers, send it to them and confirm that your coins arrived at the address. This is super fast to set up and there is absolutely no commitment.
If you just want to try it out before investing a lot of effort, just set up a wallet (either with the Dogecoin desktop client or an online wallet (listed under Browser "here") and let your customers know that they can now pay with Dogecoin. You can use some of these buttons if you wish( 1 2 3 4 5) and browse this asset repository of useful artwork. The graphical interface is still being developed, but you can browse the files and find license information already :)
2) Automatically processing transactions
Check out the section on APIs and payment processors further down!
3) Selling stuff through a 3rd-party site
There are a number of sites that function a lot like eBay, Etsy and Xmart. You enter your products and they handle the payment and web store stuff. This is most convenient if you have digital goods to sell (music, books...) and want to send them out automatically.
If you are an Etsy user who wants to accept Dogecoin, click here.
I sell from a physical store or location. What are my options? 
All you need is an internet connection in your store and a web-capable device, such as a mobile phone, cheap tablet or a nearby PC. On-site, your customers can send you coins using their phone, or you can sell coupons for your goods online in advance.
DogePos is a point-of-sales app that is open source and Koupah announced that they will accept Doge as well. You can use or apply for all of these tools right now! Either way, all you need is a way to 1) convert a USD price into Doge, and to 2) check that the coins have arrived in your wallet.
To check your wallet balance and Doge prices, you can use the app MyDOGE oniPhones and iPads, and this app on Android devices. This is one of many useful price converter websites you can bookmark. Checking your balance on the PC can be done with the wallet client.
If you want to sell your goods or coupons for them online, it might be easiest use a ready-made stores capable of digital distribution. Check point "3)" in the above section for some options.
Dogecoin payment processors, APIs, checkouts 
Currently, the established platforms accepting Dogecoin seem to be these:
I'm trying a tentative summary here to save you some research, but I'd appreciate comments a lot. None of the three have setup or monthly fees (except some optional subscriptions).
GoCoin:
Coinpayments:
You can probably find people who have used one of these in this thread. This guy volunteered his code for automatic currency conversion and his help setting up the plugin for OpenCart, for example!
If you are tech-inclined, you could run your own payment server with dogecoind and an API like this. This is not yet ready for laypeople though, so don't do that unless you want to get messy.
Exchanging Doge to USD/EUGBP/other national currencies 
If you don't have your payment processor do it for you, at some point you will want to get your Doge converted to your currency of choice, which you should do at an exchange. Keep in mind that you will have to get registered and verified at the exchange, which can take up to a week.
Transfers to and from national currency can take a few days, but trading and transferring digital currencies is very fast and usually near-instant. The following exchanges let you trade your Doge for national currency directly (last updated Sep 17):
If your currency is not listed above, you can either sell your Doge here, or exchange them to Bitcoin and then sell those. I find Kraken (EUR, KRW, USD) to be the best option for EUR, but you can sell Doge for BTC on all of the exchanges mentioned above, or choose one from this list. To sell BTC for national currency, you can also go to Justcoin or LocalBitcoins. There are many similar sites - just pick the one you like best!
Things get developed incredibly fast and Dogecoin is not even a year old. This will only get easier, so keep checking back! Justcoin is looking to trade Dogecoin to national currency, and others are sure to follow.
Alright! How do I promote my business now that I accept Dogecoin? 
Note that there's a collection of Dogecoin artwork and assets for you to use in this repository, complete with license information so you can design your promotions and website with it.
1) Submit your business to these directories:
2) If you are a brick-and-mortar store, mark your business on these maps [1, 2]. Post if you have problems!
3) Make a promotion post in one of these subreddits:
You will get views, especially if you offer an interesting product or a Doge-related promotion. Hint: the best promotion is to offer a few % off for all Dogecoin purchases. Also post and comment to this just to discuss your plans and ask your questions. Come talk to us here and in /dogevendors, we are a fun community :)
This post is not updated anymore. Check the thread linked at the top of this post for the newest version. The last big edits were on Aug 4 (DogeAPI, Prelude) and Sep 17 (Updates on exchanges and websites) and Oct 22 (Moolah).
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[Repost] How to accept Dogecoin with your business, and why. A few pointers.

The original version of this post (see here), cannot be replied to anymore because it has been automatically archived. I am reposting it so I can keep updating and receiving questions on it. Enjoy :)
You are a business owner and sell goods or services. You heard about Dogecoin. You wonder how you can use it in your business. This thread is for you.
If you have no idea what Dogecoin is, read up on it here (click). In short, it is a digital currency that is perfect for everyday use. Read on if you want to know why it would be good for your enterprise.
Why should I accept payments in Dogecoin? 
Dogecoin offers you:
Dogecoin can be exchanged to national currencies. You can do this easily by yourself or use the automatic conversion offered by some payment processors (all is explained further down). You can also just keep your Dogecoin and spend it or offer it to your employees! :)
Dogecoin is fun and it gets ever more useful the more people like you use and accept it. There are other merchants who have gone this path before you - not least Amazon's streaming service Twitch.tv. You can read interviews in this magazine and on this blog. You can also talk with other merchants in /dogevendors, check out these testimonials ([1, 2], 3), search this subreddit and post any questions you have right here!
I want to accept donations. What are my options? 
Just download the client and put up the wallet address up on your page with donation info. Done! That's it! If you want something snazzy, check out this widget.
If you need to track who sent you how much money (for goodies and that), you could ask that donators tell you that they're sending you a very specific amount of coins (e.g. 100.424242), and match it to their name. However, this can be abused as your transaction history is public. If you're actually selling stuff, check out the next section instead.
I sell stuff online. What are my options? 
You have a lot! It boils down to one of these:
The last option can be interesting if you don't have your own web store, are selling digital goods and/or are just selling on as a side business. If your business is your main income, handling payment yourself is probably better.
1) Manually processing transactions
All you need for this is a Dogecoin wallet. You simply generate a payment address for each of your customers, send it to them and confirm that your coins arrived at the address. This is super fast to set up and there is absolutely no commitment.
If you just want to try it out before investing a lot of effort, just set up a wallet (either with the Dogecoin desktop client or an online wallet (listed under Browser "here") and let your customers know that they can now pay with Dogecoin. You can use some of these buttons if you wish( 1 2 3 4 5) and browse this asset repository of useful artwork. The graphical interface is still being developed, but you can browse the files and find license information already :)
2) Automatically processing transactions
Check out the section on APIs and payment processors further down!
3) Selling stuff through a 3rd-party site
There are a number of sites that function a lot like eBay, Etsy and Xmart. You enter your products and they handle the payment and web store stuff. This is most convenient if you have digital goods to sell (music, books...) and want to send them out automatically.
If you are an Etsy user who wants to accept Dogecoin, click here.
I sell from a physical store or location. What are my options? 
All you need is an internet connection in your store and a web-capable device, such as a mobile phone, cheap tablet or a nearby PC. On-site, your customers can send you coins using their phone, or you can sell coupons for your goods online in advance.
DogePos is a point-of-sales app that is open source and Koupah announced that they will accept Doge as well. You can use or apply for all of these tools right now! Either way, all you need is a way to 1) convert a USD price into Doge, and to 2) check that the coins have arrived in your wallet.
To check your wallet balance and Doge prices, you can use the app MyDOGE oniPhones and iPads, and this app on Android devices. This is one of many useful price converter websites you can bookmark. Checking your balance on the PC can be done with the wallet client.
If you want to sell your goods or coupons for them online, it might be easiest use a ready-made stores capable of digital distribution. Check point "3)" in the above section for some options.
Dogecoin payment processors, APIs, checkouts 
Currently, the established platforms accepting Dogecoin seem to be these:
I'm trying a tentative summary here to save you some research, but I'd appreciate comments a lot. None of the three have setup or monthly fees (except some optional subscriptions).
GoCoin:
Snapcard:
Coinpayments:
You can probably find people who have used one of these in this thread. This guy volunteered his code for automatic currency conversion and his help setting up the plugin for OpenCart, for example!
If you are tech-inclined, you could run your own payment server with dogecoind and an API like this. This is not yet ready for laypeople though, so don't do that unless you want to get messy.
Exchanging Doge to USD/EUGBP/other national currencies 
If you don't have your payment processor do it for you, at some point you will want to get your Doge converted to your currency of choice, which you should do at an exchange. Keep in mind that you will have to get registered and verified at the exchange, which can take up to a week.
Transfers to and from national currency can take a few days, but trading and transferring digital currencies is very fast and usually near-instant. The following exchanges let you trade your Doge for national currency directly (last updated Sep 17):
If your currency is not listed above, you can either sell your Doge here, or exchange them to Bitcoin and then sell those. You can sell Doge for BTC on all of the exchanges mentioned above, or choose one from this list. To sell BTC for national currency, you can also go to Justcoin or LocalBitcoins. There are many similar sites - just pick the one you like best!
Things get developed incredibly fast and Dogecoin is not even a year old. This will only get easier, so keep checking back! Justcoin is looking to trade Dogecoin to national currency, and others are sure to follow.
Alright! How do I promote my business now that I accept Dogecoin? 
Note that there's a collection of Dogecoin artwork and assets for you to use in this repository, complete with license information so you can design your promotions and website with it.
1) Submit your business to these directories:
2) If you are a brick-and-mortar store, mark your business on these maps [1, 2]. Post if you have problems!
3) Make a promotion post in one of these subreddits:
You will get views, especially if you offer an interesting product or a Doge-related promotion. Hint: the best promotion is to offer a few % off for all Dogecoin purchases. Also post and comment to this just to discuss your plans and ask your questions. Come talk to us here and in /dogevendors, we are a fun community :)
I'm editing and updating this post regularly. The last big edit to this text was in Apr 2015 (new payment processors).
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Why I believe fiat currencies are necessary and beneficial, explained in terms of three video games. Diablo II, World of Warcraft, and EVE Online.

An example, using Diablo II items

So even though you are willing to take a loss in perceived value, you cannot get the item you need because there are more factors than just estimated trade value. Namely, demand.

A fix, in World of Warcraft!

Fortunately, Blizzard noticed this, and added a fiat currency in World of Warcraft. You will notice that it does not have a trade issue like this one. Trade flows freely, and if you have the gold, you can get the item. It is a good thing that there is a high-resolution/fine grained fiat currency around to use as an intermediary. Had there been Note that it is the perceived value of gold as an exchange that matters, not the gold itself. It is what the gold can buy you. Not the gold itself. No matter how much you have, you cannot make an item out of it in World of Warcraft. Therefore it is a fiat currency in truth.

A PhD Economist in EVE Online

The only problems are keeping inflation and deflation in check so that the fiat currency is reasonably stable with respect to the value it is intended to represent. In WoW this is accomplished with "gold sinks" and "gold faucets". Examples of gold sinks include repairing gear, auction house fees, etc. Examples of faucets are crafting, killing beasts etc. Every MMO with a fiat currency must manage these system. EVE Online does the same. Except they went so far as to hire a PhD economist to keep watch over their economy! And he issues quarterly reports that every player can access! Good, nerdy stuff.

Coming back to reality

MMOs model the real world in boring ways to make them easy to understand, and fantasy worlds in ways that make them fun. Neither MMO has a major problem with its economy provided a watch is kept over it, and that both inflation and deflation are kept under control. In both games, this control is centralized at Blizzard and CCP, but they must keep the system controlled for the good of the players or else they quit playing the game and then that control over fiat currency does not matter one whit. If you do not play their game, their control does not matter, you can take your particular fiat currency elsewhere. Do I have to mention that both games accept currencies from all over the world? Hell, in EVE there is an easily found pretty strong exchange rate between InterStellar Kredits (ISK) and USD, based on the fact that you can legally buy game time codes, then sell them to other players for ISK. It is not allowed, within the game, to go the other way, though.

Bitcoin, the underdog

This is why there is inherently wrong with any fiat currency (note that this includes bitcoin!) over any other fiat in the world. It is in fact possibly better because the supply is fixed and distributed, everyone is allowed in, there are no fees, and trust is assured through vast computing resources, and it is decentralized, just like torrents, cloud hosting, distributed rendering, etc. We all know that those make the internet work better, so a decentralized fiat currency also makes sense. Especially if it is open source (and it is). Note that I am really not an expert on it as I have only read a little bit about it. Ask someone else who can speak to it better if you want to know more about bitcoin.
Note that I am not condoning it myself, that could land me in prison, I think! I have not researched it enough to see if there are any loopholes or major issues. But really smart people seem to think it is a good thing. I trust really smart people who think a lot more than I do not, and I know as a Computer Scientist that distributed systems are generally more scalable than centralized ones.
tl;dr: Fiat currency is Good™, but only when inflation and deflation are kept in dynamic equilibrium with the value they are intended to represent via faucets and sinks, and the system works for all of its participants equally
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Using BitMit for Magic: the Gathering transactions (x-post to r/mtgfinance and r/magicTCG)

Note: I believe that there is a wide possibility of overlap between the Magic: the Gathering community and the Bitcoin community. As a member of both, I hope this promotion is successful for a large number of reasons.
Links to other topics:
http://www.reddit.com/mtgfinance/comments/1cpfu5/free_mtg_auction_sale_site_xpost_to_rbitcoin/
http://www.reddit.com/magicTCG/comments/1cphvd/revolutionizing_the_mtg_secondary_market_with/
I invite you to check out BitMit.net for all of your MTG trading, buying, and selling needs!
This is the Bitcoin equivalent of ebay. If you have never heard of Bitcoin, it's basically a digital currency. You can read more about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin
(Don't get lost! There's a lot to learn! All you really need to know for now is that it can serve as an intermediary for exchanging MTG cards for almost no cost)
The following fees are involved for selling on Bitmit:
This is incredible when compared to other popular methods for liquidating cards. Consider ebay (>16% ebay/paypal fees PLUS listing fees), vendor buylists (huge markdowns), and CardShark (15%). Being able to sell cards with only 2% in fees allows for large profit margins to savvy buyers, liquidity in exchanging collection playability, and lower prices offered to buyers.
With no listing or other up-front costs, there is very little risk involved in creating listings. The listing process is very simple and comparable to ebay.
So far, I have personally managed to sell >$200 worth of cards through this site. I have also completed two successful purchases of cards from others.
I am actively looking to spend more of the coins in my account on MTG listings, but the one thing currently lacking is more widespread exposure to the Magic community. It should be easy to spread the use of this tool through simple means such as this post, due to the ease and natural advantages. I envision a near-future where almost anyone can easily exchange cards they have for cash or cards that they want. Thanks for reading!
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[Table] IamA 22 year old who is going to plead guilty to a felony computer hacking charge in 5 days AMAA

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Date: 2013-05-29
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What do you think the consequences will be? Are you still going to pursue whatever it was you were studying at your school? 24 months probation, which will likely be terminated between 12 and 16 months, a $2,500 fine, $22,000 in restitution and forfeiture of several thousand dollars of seized property, which I intend to buy back at state auctions if I can.
I tried bargaining for a 364 day jail sentence (which would have actually meant 4 months of time served) and a misdemeanor, but the prosecutor would hear none of it. I would have been fucked going to trial, despite keeping silent the entire time there were literally reams of evidence. The IT department did just about everything they could to make the case airtight, due to me making them look so stupid.
I was going to be a pentester before this, and I still am.
You sound like you have a lot of misplaced narcissism. Although, if I got caught breaking the law I guess I would brag about it too like it was still a win for me and not a permanent stain on my life. I highly doubt it will be permanent. I'm expecting a gubernatorial pardon within a few years of the end of my probation. It is pretty much standard procedure here if you are not a crackhead who goes out and re-offends. The fact that I have enough money to make the maximum campaign contribution to said governor also helps a lot in the opinion of my lawyer.
Is it realistic to still go after jobs in the IT field with a felony computer charge on your record? I know in my experience in IT people have a hard time securing a job with any felony let alone one related to hacking. Had my case involved actual fraud, that would be a problem.
How did they determine that what you did did not violate the computer fraud and abuse act? Everything violates the computer fraud and abuse act. Even you typing that post :-D.
It was simply a matter of the US Attorney having bigger fish to fry than a college kid who just played some pranks.
What did you do? The tl;dr is I launched a huge multifaceted attack against my University for nothing but lulz, involving just about every attack type in the book. Then brb, fbi.
I take it you only used 6 proxies? Amazing. Spot on. I thought that extra proxy made no difference, but then backtraced it and brb, fbi.
How did you get caught? Do you feel that since you did get caught you're maybe not the best hacker? FBI agent remembered me from previous run-ins. That, and I was the best student in computer security class at the time the incidents went down.
I never claimed to be the BEST hacker, but I still think I'm quite good. If I wanted to keep things on the down low, I would not have sent a bunch of emails mocking the shittier professors at the school from their accounts to their classes.
Are your charges state or federal? You've used "state" and "gubernatorial" w/t to some posts, but also mentioned FBI involvement, so it's not clear. It was an FBI investigation, but the local US Attoreny's office refused my case.
So a county prosecutor six years out of law school picked it up. The result has been a massive clusterfuck of incompetence on his part, he took 3 months to even offer a preliminary plea bargain.
That's not entirely unheard of. I'm not really familiar with how cases go in your locality (since I don't know what state you're in) but on the federal level, three months is quite routine for that sort of thing. In my locality, cases not involving some type of serious bodily harm usually finish in 2 months tops. Mine is finally finishing 4+ months out, and would drag on another 2 months or so if I had gone to trial.
On the bright side, you can one day seek a pardon without having to bug the President about it. And yes, the governor's here tend to hand out pardons like candy. Plus I get my guns rights back as soon as I finish probation and go through a hearing with state police to prove I am not a danger to society.
Do you think they went after you because of the publicity around the 'Anonymous' DDOS attacks from the last few years? Most certainly. But the bigger reason is I made the University's IT department look like damn fools. My attacks went on for months, and only stopped when I got bored. It wasn't until a month and a half after the attacks when they called in the FBI that I got busted. And that was primarily because I'd had previous runins with the local FBI field office over explosives.
So basically you need better hobbies. Yup.
Dont listen to these depressed fools. It is an art what you can do, a real talent. How does someone learn to do something like this? Internet, friends..? Internet, and being autodidactic. hackthissite is a great starting point.
Thanks, a bit of googling is needed. The only thing I have done that is a big edgy is gone on SilkRoad haha. SilkRoad is quite an amazing place. I just showed a couple friends the other day, and they were floored by how much stuff is listed there now.
I might of been more tempted to actually buy something, if I could get my hands on these elusive Bitcoins. You could probably hack some hey ;-) Haha. Bitcoins are not really hard to get. Just open an account on Mt. Gox!
Did you think you wouldn't get caught? This isn't a snarky question, I'm actually interested to know. Most people don't start out with this kind of stuff thinking "durr prison sounds nice durr"/ No, I didn't. I never expected the FBI to get called in over what was primarily a prank email campaign. As soon as I heard the FBI got involved, I figured this might be it, and I freaked out and left town.
I highly doubt I would have gotten caught if it wasn't for the dumb luck of the field agent investigating the case going "Oh, I remember this guy from last year when we raided him for suspicions of bomb manufacturing and he had a lot of computer stuff, seemed smart"
As soon as I heard the FBI got involved, I figured this might be it, and I freaked out and left town. Not such a smart move, eh... Well here is where I can't get into specifics. But it actually really turned out to be. Had I stuck around with all the stuff that was in my room at the time, things may have turned out far worse for me.
What I mean is: You've been the best CS-student -and- ran away when the fbi joined the game. No need to be smart to see a suspect here. You were asking to get caught. I knew as soon as the FBI was in on things that the game was up. It was just a question of cleaning up as much as I could, to avoid getting into a deeper hole. And that much fortunately worked.
Alright. To close it, one question: Give me your top3 songs you listen to when you 'hack'. Freq Nasty: Fresh.
Crystal Method: PhD.
Freq Nasty: Move Back.
And I'm not going to trial, I'm pleading guilty to avoid any jail and make my pardon request likely to be granted sooner after I finish my sentence.
Hacking a school, you're pretty edgy huh? I know, right? I used all the latest textfiles off of TOTSE.
If you are 22 years old thats a pretty funny reference. I thought it pretty much died out in the late 90's early 00's. Next you will tell us you phreaked it in. Yeah, believe it or not they traced it back to the payphone I was blueboxing off of with my 9600 baud modem.
How long have you been hacking? And how did you learn to do whatever it is hackers do to break through security? I've been hacking for 11 years now. Started out making my own gameshark codes for the playstation 2 at age 11. And you only learn methods of breaking security, the mindset is something you almost either have or don't. It is all about how you look at the world around you. The more you try to reverse engineer the world and understand what makes things tick, the better hacker you become.
What's a black hat hacker? One who hacks for reasons other than securing systems. Typically for personal gain. I suppose in this case you can call lulz personal gain.
Just curious, why is everyone downvoting this guy? Probably a combination of the fact that I'm still a bit flippant and narcissistic, and the general fear of computer hackers by society.
"I hacked my school for the lulz" So edgy. Iknorite?
What other institutions, or types of institutions have / would / do you hack? I've hacked a ton of institutions. Really very few places get security right. Kevin Mitnick's pentesting company has a 100% success rate.
You mentioned keeping your identity private, if you were to answer this I'd be assuming that your using proxies to do this AMA. Otherwise what you might say here could potentially be used against you even further? I'm using Tor for this AMA, and I'd go into details of the massive scale of my cyberattacks that was never uncovered otherwise.
I've hacked a ton of institutions. Really very few places get security right. Repeat this line at interviews until you land a six figure salary... I'm currently making well into six figures off of investments, so jobs for me are shits and gigs unless they are of the seven figure variety.
Now there's something I'd require proof of ;) I actually did an AMA on being rich at a young age a bit before my arrest. Nothing too interesting though, inheritance followed by non-derpy investing.
Did you post on 4chan's /adv/ maybe a month or two or three ago asking for guidance on what to do? I recall someone in a similar situation to the one you've described. Yes. And since then, plea-bargaining basically fell through, and I got stuck with the choice between a felony and 2 years probation, or the 1% chance of acquittal at trial and the 99% chance of multiple felonies and 2-5 years of prison.
Soo... you have enough money to buy back your confiscated items at an auction as well as make a donation to a governor? who you say will pardon you, but where's your Johnnie Cochran defense lawyer? If the university was primarily responsible for gathering evidence, who's to say their IT department didnt make any errors or get a bit over zealous in their investigation to prove you are the only suspect? I did retain a top defense lawyer. And yes, major errors were made handling some of the evidence. Also the search warrants executed were likely unconstitutional.
The problem being SOME. There is so damn much evidence, and six charges related to it, the odds of an acquittal even with all that evidence suppressed are still close to zero.
I would have taken it to trial if it were remotely smart, it was my initial plan. The problem is there are literally REAMS of discovery filings, and not all that is going to get suppressed regardless of what I do.
Do you think it's the FBI downvoting everything you say? Haha, possible. More likely my university's IT department. I never made the FBI look like a bunch of retarded garden snails when it came to security.
What would you recommend to someone who wants to learn hacking? Hackthissite.org Run by a great guy who has been in even more trouble than me.
Jeremy has been a close friend for a number of years, is that who you area speaking of? Yep.
Do you have any remorse for what you have done ? ( I am not implying you should, just curious ) Do you intend to continue hacking when you are allowed to go near a computer again? Will you work for the Feds, given the opportunity? Why are you doing this IAMA? I have remorse for getting caught. I didn't hurt anyone, or steal from anyone. Just made fun of some people who in my opinion deserved it (a professor who accused 80% of his class of cheating, for example)
I intend to hack professionally as a white hat pentester. And my probation fortunately has no limits on computer use, ironically. They just piss test me a lot.
I would work with the feds, but only to bring down people committing crimes that actually hurt someone.
I'm doing this AMA to both help myself accept my situation faster, and give other people an insight into my rather rare situation.
When I asked do you intend to hack again, I meant Black Hat as opposed to pentesting. If you work for the Feds I doubt you get to pick and choose which cases you'll be involved in. I doubt I'll do any more black hat hacking now. I'm just too well known for it to have any chance of ending well.
And I refuse to work for something I don't believe in. I'd only work for the feds if I thought wasn't screwing over people who didn't deserve it.
When did you first get interested in hacking, and what was the first thing you actually hacked? When I was 11, and my playstation 2 using gameshark codes I created myself.
Did you ever think about the fact that you could be caught, and "hacking a university for the lulz" is not worth the cost? Thought about that a lot. But I was not thinking clearly at the time. And I can't say it has been all bad, don't knock it until you try it. At least no one got hurt/lost money (except me on the losing money, but not enough to affect me)
Were these attacks things you made up using your own skills, or were you just a script kiddie? A combination thereof. I discovered a large number of 0day attacks against the various web-portals that the university ran. I also used several "skiddie tools", such as SSLMITM and aircrack. I also relied on both self manufactured and off the shelf hardware. The full scope of my attacks was never uncovered, so I can't go into too many details on some of the 0days.
The 0day I found in their electronic lock system was discovered though, and to my knowledge has not been fixed.
Do you hack and/or affiliate yourself with Anonymous? Or do you just typically work alone? I have worked with anon in the past. I support some of their causes. But the movement has gotten so huge lately there really isn't anywhere near the cohesiveness there was in 2007 when it was a bunch of bored teens on /b/ looking for lulz.
I'd say over half the time I've worked alone.
Theoretically, what is the most damage you could have done? Released about a half million social security numbers and academic records, along with classified research onto the pirate bay.
Also, if you were able to send one message to the entire world, what would it be? Never thought of doing that, dick move.
Are you afraid of how your future will end up now? Not really. I'm assuming I'll be able to secure a pardon within the next several years.
I was intending to work in pentesting before this, and this shouldn't have any terrible impacts on my job prospects. Kevin Mitnick, the world's most famous pentester, spent 5 years in solitary confinement after running from the FBI for 4.
If you rich, why are you going to university? Both my parents got PhDs, so it was sort of expected. Besides, I really enjoy electrical engineering. Being a hacker, I naturally gravitated towards it as a major.
What was probably the coolest hack you did? It doesn't seem like much now, but when I was 16 I found an 0day in a VoIP application via disassembly that let you make unlimited free international calls. As a 16 year old phone phreak, that seemed like the coolest hack ever.
Moral of the story: never trust client side code to behave as it should, if there is a motivation for it to not.
For a high school IT department, what would you recommend to help improve our security against hackers? I'd recommend approaching some of the top students in your CS classes, and giving them extra credit assignments in pentesting. Nothing like free labor. If my university had done that, I probably wouldn't have done what I did.
The best hackers are the ones that no one knows about because they are smart enough to not seek attention for their actions. Well, unless they are getting paid by a security firm. Most of the rest of my attacks have been of that variety, and those are the ones I don't talk about. I suppose you could say I got cocky. Also worth pointing out I had a major caffeine abuse problem (I'm not talking 2 BFCs a night, I'm talking 3-4+ grams) at the time, and suffered from delusions, hallucinations and psychosis. My judgement was not anywhere close to 100% on at the time.
Sadly had I used that as a criminal defense, there are no gubernatorial pardons for being nuts. That sticks with you forever. I also would have been facing an average of an 8 year stay at a mental hospital in this state.
Yup. And my next hobby is constructing a small nuclear fusion reactor while on probation. Oh joy. Link to en.wikipedia.org
Yup, we're gonna need some proof on this one. Proof sent to mods, awaiting verification.
Please elaborate on your ill fated hacking schemes. That would take an amazing amount of time to type up, as I have been a black hat hacker for a long time.
EDIT: Also a question while I'm at it. Someone else asked if you affiliate as a "part of Anonymous," but I'm just wondering about your general view of the group and how you affiliate with people such as those. Yes, I do. And my view is they generally speaking are a force for the good, but sometimes rouge factions split off and do things for no good reason. Anonymous was a group 5 years ago, now it is a cultural movement.
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Markets and Price-Setting: Thoughts on information, created goods and services, fixed-supply commodities, financial instruments, and other market values behave

I've been reflecting on Paul Mason's Postcapitalism, particularly as concerns what he identifies as a hum-dinger of information goods: Information goods destroy the price formation mechanism based on scarcity.
That's one of a few cases in which markets as price-setting mechanisms fail, or are subject to very high degrees of ambiguity.
Four particular instances come to mind:
Each poses specific failures to usefully set a market price that corresponds to the true costs of production.
What I'm posing here is more an exploration of aspects I've found, and still find, contradictory. I'm not claiming to have final answers, though I'm starting to land a few good leads.

On "natural prices"

While much lay discussion of economics holds that the market price is the fair price for a good or service, the question of what a "natural" or "fair" price has occupied a great deal of economic thought and discussion since the time of the Greeks. Adam Smith in Wealth of Nations proposed a definition which remains close to what's commonly accepted today -- a total cost of inputs, plus normal profits:
When the price of any commodity is neither more nor less than what is sufficient to pay the rent of the land, the wages of the labour, and the profits of the stock employed in raising, preparing, and bringing it to market, according to their natural rates, the commodity is then sold for what may be called its natural price.
The cases I'm considering here all violate this in one way or another. This is troubling as they're increasingly key to economic activity.

Information Goods

Information wants to be free.
-- John Perry Barlow
In an efficient market, quality information is consistently undervalued.
In this case: fixed costs of production are high, but marginal costs of production are low. It takes a lot of time and research to create a quality book, a piece of music, software, news reporting, pharmaceutical, chemical process, etc., but once developed the costs of manufacture are far, far less, effectively zero in many cases.
That's one fundamental contradiction of the "knowledge economy".
There's the further problem of Gresham's law as applied to information: cheap, low-quality information tends to drive out high-value, but expensive-to-produce information. Ask anyone in the news, broadcast, or publishing industries.

Extant Goods

There are good cars and bad cars (which in America are known as "lemons").
-- George Akerloff, "The Market for Lemons"
This is the second-hand market -- goods which are re-sold by an initial buyer, after initial purchase. Flea markets, swaps, Craigslist, consignment stores. And antique shops and auctions.
The fundamental characteristic of each of these is that the good already exists. There is no production function. Price, instead, is effectively a motivator -- what does it take to convince the holder of a good to part with it?
There's a Spanish folk saying I've only recently learned, its English translation "Buy from desperate people, and sell to newlyweds." In both cases, the supply and demand curves are shifted to the advantage of the middleman buying in the first instance and selling in the second.
In some cases, there's an alternative to buying used: you can buy a new item or make one yourself. For many utilitarian goods (clothing, furniture, children's toys, used books or records), the second-hand market offers considerable savings over new or self-made.
Keepsakes and mementos have highly asymmetric valuations: the holder usually ascribes a high sentimental value, while others may view the item as little more than clutter or "old junk". In this case it's typically unlikely for the piece to be sold -- the holder's valuation is higher than any potential buyer's, unless the former is desperate.
Antiquities or fine arts, as opposed to personal mementos and keepsakes with high sentimental value pose a different situation: if it is the specific item in question and not a functionally equivalent replacement that is sought, then there is no ascribable production cost. You cannot make a "new" original Rembrandt, or Picasso, or Ming Dynasty vase, or piece of ancient Egyptian art. Price of such goods is entirely dependent on the demand for such products. It calls into question the entire concept of what a "natural price" of such a good is.
This case is actually the genesis for this essay -- the example I had in mind was of a Stradivarius violin -- there are about 650 left in the world, largely manufactured between 1680 and 1700, and present market values range from hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars.
This despite notable failures for blind listening tests to distinguish or prefer Strads over other instruments. While modern mass-produced violins can be had for as little as £80 new, more expensive hand-crafted instruments comparable in tonal quality to a Strad fetch about £15,000. That's still a considerable discount on the Strad -- by a factor of 200.
The embodied labor?
It takes around 120 hours to make a violin, 150 hours for a viola and 300 hours for a cello.
That's an all-in £125/hr cost of labor, assuming labor is the principle input.
Similarly, nearly indistinguishable art forgeries are fairly common, there's the case of "Jefferson's Bottles", literally an instance of new wine in old bottles. Or forgeries of antiques, antiquities, and the like.
In all cases, the immediate quality of the forgeries is quite difficult to tell, though dating of materials by radioisotopic means usually manages to distinguish them. What's changed is the perception. What marketers call "selling the story".
Or, quite bluntly: changing the demand curve for a product.
Extant products fall into two general categories:
And finally, extant goods have the "lemon" problem, and in fact, in the form of the used-car market, are the basis for George Akerloff's "The Market for Lemons" paper noted in the epigraph for this section.
In the case of established goods (e.g., antiquities and fine arts), the asymmetry detailed by Akerloff tends to be minimized. In the case of certain complex goods: automobiles and electronics certainly come to mind, concerns on the part of the buyer over the serviceability of the good in question tends to 1) keep prices depressed and 2) limit the number of quality items actually offered to market -- the seller knows that it will be unlikely to recapture the true value of a quality item.

Financial/Investment Assets

Because that's where the money is.
-- Willie Sutton, on why he robbed banks.
Here, you've almost the inverse situation of information goods: marginal cost of production is exceptionally high - - there's either a workfactor cost, or simply a finite supply (for numerous reasons, to be explored more). Will Rogers on land: they're not making it anymore. The asset value of precious metals is that their supply is (theoretically) constrained by the high costs of mining. Bitcoin is similar.
But the intrinsic utility of the good is close to nil. A dollar bill has little intrinsic value, or, if you prefer, a $100 dollar bill. It's a piece of paper, ink, and anti-copyright features. The production cost is a factor of regulatory limits on production. Gold and silver have some utility, but this is generally less than is reflected in its exchange value. Diamonds are a case of induced scarcity, though with a few other twists which tends to inflate the retail value while affording virtually no resale value.
The added value by virtue of being money is referred to as seigniorage:
the difference between the value of money and the cost to produce and distribute it.
What's key is the "story": not all rare things are valuable, but all valuable things are rare. The key to creating a market for a given asset class is to convince people that other people are convinced of the value. It's a bit of a circular definition.
Some assets have value ascribed to them. I've previously discussed what gives money value, in particular the United States Dollar. There are five key aspects:
Several of these elements are recognized as well by Modern Monetary Theory which I'm coming to like.

Real Estate

Buy land. They ain't making any more of the stuff.
-- Will Rogers
Other asset classes are real, in the sense that they're tangible, with real estate being a classic example. In Smith's time, the value of land was largely based on the produce one could derive from it: crops, lumber, cattle, fish. Perhaps wind or water power. In urban economics one learns that the value of housing (whether rented or sold) is based on the earning potential and travel time associated with it -- generally housing costs fall as one moves further from an urban center.
But a secondary factor of housing is as an investment, though as many critics has pointed out, the long-term performance isn't particularly good, the carrying costs are high, the asset can be highly illiquid (especially when it's carrying a mortgage valued more highly than the property itself). In some areas title may be difficult to establish -- Hernando de Soto and Niall Ferguson discuss this in their respective books The Mystery of Capital and The Ascent of Money in the context of South America, and the resulting difficulties and alternative conventions.
One interesting conclusion is that surplus profits of labor (or of business) tend to be subsumed by increasing housing (or office / store-space) costs.

Extractive Goods

These are also consistently undervalued.
Any resource that's being extracted or consumed at rates greater than its replenishment is effectively an extractive good. The typical examples are minerals and mining, and fossil fuels, but this can include other and nominally renewable resources: topsoil, freshwater, groundwater, rhinoceros horn, timber, topsoil, fisheries....
The market price is set by the access price: how much effort it takes to extract the resource, but not a depletion allowance for the fact that the removed unit(s) will not be restored. The latter is a suggestion of many authors, including Herman Daly.
It's interesting to note cases of societies which were formerly based on extractive technologies which have run through the entire resource and have lost their former wealth. A classic instance is the island nation of Nauru, briefly the wealthiest nation on a per-capita income basis during the 1980s due to deposits of phosphate rock -- bird guano -- valuable as fertilizer. Its 9,000 inhabitants on 21 km2 now rely on revenues for running a detention center for the Australian government. It's also served as a tax haven and offered passports to foreign nationals.
The export land model of Jeffrey Brown describes the dynamics of oil exporting nations as domestic consumption rises to exceed total extraction capacity. Some analysis of the Arab Spring revolves around falling oil extraction in Egypt, Syria, and Libya as contributory causes, though a prolonged drought in Syria has also been mentioned.
Cataloging a list of other nations formerly based on exported natural resource wealth could prove illuminating.

Overconsumption of Luxury Goods

As a counterpoint, there are products obtained unsustainably for which the market price is high (though possibly still undervalued). Rhinoceros horn would be an example, whale meat, and tropical hardwoods others. Often within what's a globally small market -- rhino horn is largely valued in south-east Asia and China, whale meat in Japan -- there's a significant social signaling status (Veblen good) for the product. Paradoxically, price is itself a signifier of signaling value, and total quantity demanded, while in excess of replenishment factor, is such that increasing the cost of the good doesn't reduce overall demand (or at least not sufficiently to avoid exhaustion or extinction of the source).
Arguably the price is still too low (there should be an extinction/exhaustion premium), but even with increasing prices due to scarcity, the market response is not rational. Moreover, the value ascribed these goods isn't intrinsic to their practical application but to social signalling status. That is: a cheaper replacement would be inferior simply on the basis that it's cheaper, and hence, a weaker signal.

Information vs. Assets

The most striking aspect of Mason's Postcapitalism lecture is his juxtaposition of information goods, in which scarcity drives prices to zero, and of financial assets, in which an ascribed value increases the worth of an asset above its intrinsic value.
But more critically:
The key contradiction in modern capitalism is in this emerging contradiction between free socially produced abundant [information] goods, and a system of monopolies, banks, and governments who are forced, in order to survive, to behave desperately to maintain this information asymmetry.
That is: Facebook or other service providers retaining proprietary control, and often, secrecy, over their APIs. There's an intrinsic fight between the network, information goods, and the hierarchy, proprietary and material goods.
I further see the need for the financial system to see ever further growth, and interest payments, which a largely information-based economy is unlikely to provide.

In summary ...

I don't want to title this section "conclusions" because, generally, I'm far from them. I do hope this proves useful (and not too personally embarrassing to me) for further discussion / exploration on where and how value is ascribed and attributed.
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Note: We require flair because we enforce a policy of transparency on this subreddit. The use of Steam flair allows us to weed out scammers and other unscrupulous individuals from taking part in discussion or taking advantage of users.

Posting and Trading Rules

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  • Game coupons may not be traded here, but may be given away.
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  • [H] Paypal [W] Lockjaw
  • [Auction] Fezzle Feez
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  • [H] Timebreaker + 60 keys [W] DC Hook
  • [H] Fezzle Feez [W] 98 keys
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[PSA] Rules and Guidelines v3.0

The rules listed below will be enforced at the discretion of the moderators. If you have any questions, you can message the moderators to request clarification.

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Note: We require flair because we enforce a policy of transparency on this subreddit. The use of Steam flair allows us to weed out scammers and other unscrupulous individuals from taking part in discussion or taking advantage of users.

Posting and Trading Rules

  • All trades must be related to Dota 2
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  • Only one thread is allowed per user every 8 hours. The exception to this are [Q]/[PC]/[PSA]/[Discussion]/[Free]/[Raffle]/[Guide] threads that are unrelated to the ongoing trades of the user. Please keep in mind that the exceptions are not to be abused and if you spam the subreddit with frivolous threads, action will be taken.
  • Keep your trade parameters relevant to what is required for buy/sell/trade. Anything else is considered clickbait. This includes memes, stories, smileys, symbols, ASCII art and pricing terms such as quicksell, fast sell, etc. Stories are not tolerated in the body of the post.
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  • Any attempts to manipulate the price and any acts of shilling that is perpetuated and blatant is a major infraction. The moderator team will have full discretion to act and invoke a ban on /Dota2Trade or Steamrep in general.
  • You are allowed to comment on other users trades and are encouraged to post threads under the [Discussion] tag if you feel like there are issues you would like to bring up with the community and are looking for feedback related to Dota 2 trading.
  • Related to the rule above, we are taking a more lenient approach to price commentary. For example, you are allowed to comment on considerable discrepancies in what the submitter is asking for eg. [H] GG [W] TB (obviously an extreme example) but are allowed to do so only if you present yourself in a civil manner. While we are being more lenient on general commentary, comments that are deemed as shitposting will be taken down and penalized.
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  • Do not ask for upvotes (either in your thread or outside of reddit). This is both against general reddit rules and on a small trading subreddit also blatantly obvious. It's also a quick way for you to get your account permanently banned.
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  • Accounts must be older than 24 hours in order to post. AutoModerator will remove all submissions from users with accounts younger than this.
  • Trading items for real-world currencies is permitted. If using PayPal/MoneyPak, please follow this guide to ensure a safe transaction. More guides will be written in the near future for Western Union, Bitcoins and bank wires.
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  • No trades involving CD-keys, game codes, serials, or redeemable cards (Steam Wallet, Amazon, iTunes, or other gift cards) will be permitted. This rule also applies to any and all Humble Bundles, as we believe they should not be purchased with the intent to profit.
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  • Dota 2 item price check sites have historically been inaccurate at best; it is advised that you do not use them. For accurate price checks, search recent trades or ask another member or refer to this thread to get started on pricing your items.
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  • Use one tag per post. No combo posts.
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Submission formatting rules:

Any post whose title does not mirror one of the tags below will be automatically deleted by the AutoModerator bot. Please use only one tag per post.
  • [H] items [W] items; Whether you're attempting to trade your items for cash, keys or other in-game items, you are always expected to have a specific buyout within your threads rather than asking for "offers". See the buyout rules below for a list of exceptions.
  • [PC] price check
  • [Q] question
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  • [PSA] important or relevant information for the community (note: must have a proper and reliable source, your personal opinions are seldom considered as public service announcements)
  • [Store] selling 5 or more items at a time (to prevent lengthy post titles)
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Auctions:
  • [Auction] tag represents a trade that is done based on bids and ends with the auctioned items being sold to the highest bidder
  • All auctions must include a reserve price. A buyout is recommended, but not necessary. A reserve is the price at which the buyer is obligated to sell. If the highest bid remains below the reserve, the person holding the auction may withdraw from it and keep his items rather than selling but is entitled to sell to the highest bidder even if the reserve was not met.
  • All auctions must include a runtime and they shouldn't last for more than one week - for the benefit of everyone involved. You also should not alter your runtime once you've launched an auction.
  • Bids placed in auctions are binding. This means that once you bid in an auction, you are expected to honor it and failing to do so will result in a ban from the subreddit.
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  • Retraction and cancellation of bid is only permissible on case to case basis and you should request the moderators to arbitrate should the need to cancel an auction or retract an offer occur. Failure to provide an accountable reasoning will lead to a warning or a ban depending on the situation.

As of 31st of January 2015, prices are allowed in thread titles.

  • Every trade must include a realistic and specific buyout or price for the item you buy, trade, or sell. You may include a bulk buyout for more than one items. Asking for offers is still allowed as long as a buyout or price for people to bid against is included. Full details on this below.
  • As an example, if you list the following thread:
    [H] Dragonclaw Hook [W] Keys / Paypal,
the thread description should then include the desired amount of keys and the amount of cash you're looking from a PayPal transaction.
  • Submissions that do not have buy out will be removed by the moderators or automoderator without notice. Repeated offence and negligence to this rule will result in a posting ban.

Buyout Rules

Threads that are created to buy, sell, or trade must include a realistic and specific buyout. You can use any form of item within the Steam trading environment or cash as an acceptable form of buyout.
Buyout prices has to be specific. Terminology such as :-
  • Market price
  • Overpay
Are not applicable. Concise exact detail of the buyout needs to be present otherwise the thread will be removed.
Users are required to honor the buyout rules as listed. Failure to comply without approved reasoning from the moderator team will result in a lengthy to a permanent ban.
Examples of trades requiring buyouts
  • [H] Keys [W] PayPal / WU / Bank Transfer
  • [H] TimebreakeDC Hooks/Arcanas
  • [H] Steam Wallet [W] Keys / Paypal
  • [H] Inventory [W] Cash
  • [Auction] Inventory
Items that do not require for you to list a buyout:
  • Heroics
  • Legacies
  • Items released less than a week prior to the thread being posted
  • Golden Baby Roshan
  • Platinum Baby Roshan
  • Desert Sands Baby Roshan
  • Jade Baby Roshan
  • Dark Moon Baby Roshan
  • Desert Baby Roshan
  • Honey Heist Baby Roshan
  • Aghanim Interdimensional Baby Roshan
  • Golden Nether Lord's Regalia
  • Bugged Cosmetics with Ethereal Gems

Etiquettes for Giftables

  • Dota 2 giftables transaction only viable if the two steam user parties have been friends for 30 days.
  • Please be clear in your terms and price. If the price is variable and subject to change, please make it clear. Otherwise, it's good etiquette to adhere to the buy out first listed and agreed upon. Renegading on the Buy Out price will be subject to reddit ban and steamrep red marked.
  • As giftables involves a party having to go first, please always check user's reputation through steamrep or just general safety rule in trading here
  • Official steamrep middleman may assist in middle manning for the trade, or /dota2trade mod may assist as well in this. Please ensure that before engaging in the mods/middleman, to have all trade parameter in place and have the basic 30 days rule bypass. Message the mod team if in doubt.

Flair Registration

All users must register their flair in order to post on this subreddit and posts by unflaired users will be automatically removed. Continually ignoring the prompt to flair up will result in a ban.
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  4. In some cases, there may be a delay before you are able to post. If you are still unable to 24 hours after registering, message the mods and we will investigate your case.
Troubleshooting:
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Message the moderators if you:
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